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Just Like a Butterfly - Part 41

November 14th, 2013, 2:32 pm

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So much saying, so many sides...
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Gigi19972010
Posted by Gigi19972010

Well, I thought I wouldn't need to explain, but I think that many of you guys aren't getting what's happening exactly, so let's review.
In Part 39, since Kirby was hopeless, he tried to bring the XXIs to his side with that giant speech. He, with good arguments and such, made them realize some stuff, which made them question Marx's authority and go against him. That's not impossible to happen, really. Then Marx, realizing that Kirby had said some stuff the XXIs didn't knew / realized, used a contra-argument, saying his good side. That wouldn't be enough, so he used Kirby's speech against him, saying the obvious, but still saying, that Kirby said that because he was in trouble. Marx exaggerated a bit and destroyed Kirby's speech, making the XXIs go back to his side, mainly because "I'm your father, I created you, you must obey me.". I really doubt that, in the same situation, any of you guys would not do what the XXIs did, to turn to one side and then go to another, unless you're REALLY hard-headed, which is not the case with the XXIs, really.
And then, here, in this page, two of the XXIs go and say some stuff... What now? And, of course, Part 25 wasn't a useless page.

Posted at November 14th, 2013, 2:32 pm

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Ultimate Yoshi
Posted by Ultimate Yoshi

I have a major issue with these past few pages, what with all these speeches and stuff. Not in the sense that the speeches are there, but for an entirely different reason. These speeches are being presented to the XXIs... but we only get to see the green one's actual reaction and response. Literally every other XXI (except for Not-Zan and Not-Panee, and now the mini and tornado guys, and all four of them only showed up in this page) have not been shown to even speak up about any of this, or even have a background appearance. This is a problem because it doesn't even feel like these characters aren't even really a major aspect of this story in terms of personality and how they act(even though you clear did work hard on to give them different personalities unique to this specific chapter). These new XXIs all have different opinions and personalities, and it just doesn't make sense for only one of them to have spoken up previously. At the very least, right now, it seems like you're going to have them react to Not-Zan's speech, which is good, but previously it was only just the green Mirror Kirby. I'm not trying to be rude or sound angry here, but in future pages, when someone speaks to a large group, all (or at least, most) of their reactions/responses need to be shown, otherwise this kind of problem will occur again.
I hope I explained this well. I have the feeling that I didn't.

Posted at November 14th, 2013, 2:48 pm

Luigi_96
Posted by Luigi_96

Aww here's where it goes down. >:D

Posted at November 14th, 2013, 2:52 pm

Gigi19972010
Posted by Gigi19972010

@Ultimate Yoshi:

And here miss-forgetful strikes again, I completely forgot to mention something since Part 39, and I thought, Monday and today "Oh, I must not forget to talk about that!" and then... I forgot. Those two times. >.<
Anyway, it's exactly about that: why I'm only showing Marx Jr. talking. Firstly, like I said about showing the 21 surrounding the others, it would be impossible to show 21 kirbies commenting everytime. No, I don't want to make page with 40 panels again for a long time, shame on me to try that during school time, not vacation time. Secondly, the first intention was to show them acting like a crown, meaning that they'd ALL have the same opinion, or at least look like they had the same opinion. However, making them talk at the same time would be very weird, so I chose Marx Jr. to make the talking for everyone. No, they wouldn't have different opinions no matter what, and I explained that in today's author comment: it's a matter of commom sense.
tl;dr: Marx Jr. is representing all the XXIs in these pages.
Hope this clears things up.

Posted at November 14th, 2013, 3:57 pm

Ultimate Yoshi
Posted by Ultimate Yoshi

@Gigi19972010: I didn't say that EVERYBODY needed to comment, even just a couple more reactions would have been fine. In addition, if they all had the same opinion, it would have worked better had that actually been worked into the comic somehow. Instead, we got a variety of different personalities (which isn't bad, mind you) and two Kirbies actively voicing their disapproval (Not-Zan and Not-Panee), both of which severely hurt the idea that they all are supposed to have the same opinion. I can understand what you were thinking now with this explanation, especially with having trouble showing the XXIs surrounding everybody (that's 30 characters per panel, what a nightmare), but even so, in the future, it would be a lot better to either show a couple more reactions or to establish one character as the specific voice. Previously in the comic, Marx Jr. doesn't seem to be all that significant in relation to the other clones, as he's given just about as much screen time as everybody except Not-Zan and Not-Panee. If he were shown to be the major voice and speaker for the new XXIs, this would work better.

Again, I'm not trying to be mean or rude here, I'm only trying to help for potential future comics and help them end up being better overall.

Posted at November 14th, 2013, 4:41 pm

Gigi19972010
Posted by Gigi19972010

@Ultimate Yoshi:

I've already explained why they'd have the same opinion, comic-wise it'd be just get to conclusions using basic logic, really.
Also, see how I wrote above "meaning that they'd ALL have the same opinion, or at least look like they had the same opinion". Rephrasing that, some of them had the same opinion, some didn't, some didn't even have a opinion, but those two others didn't show that at first. See how, in this page, that changed, and two kirbies decided to share another point of view. Meanwhile, Marx Jr. spoke, and everyone agreed or remained quiet because they couldn't say much more.
I know about the reactions, and I did that several times back in the comic (right now I can remember when the kirbies freed themselves from the rainbow orb, when they found out they were clones, when the XXIs found out that they were in Unknown, when they switched Abilities...). Even with the current XXIs, I showed some of their relationships, because I knew that was important to do. But, sometimes, showing specific reactions from different characters isn't really necessary, it just doesn't really fit, at least that's how I see it.
And I chose Marx Jr. because he seemed to be the one who would talk easily about everything and quickly, mainly because of his personality (quick thinking), better than anyone else. There's no "leader" in the XXIs, so I chose based on the situation. I don't think I needed to make him have more screen time just because in some situation he had more focus.
And I know you don't want to be rude, that you just want to help me, but sometimes I just don't agree with you at some points. :P

Posted at November 14th, 2013, 5:35 pm

DaBrokor
Posted by DaBrokor

STOP WITH
THE WORDS
Also, you do a lot of talks where one or many characters encourage others characters about things. But, I guess it must be done...

Posted at November 14th, 2013, 6:15 pm

Yes! Called it!

Posted at November 15th, 2013, 7:12 am

Omega Kirby
Posted by Omega Kirby

@Gigi19972010: By the way, why did the previous timeline just turn into information? Shouldn't it co-exist with the current timeline? And why would the time machine disappear? If it took Kirby and Kirsy there, wouldn't it also be there?

And if you're just going to make this universe turn into information, what was the point in creating all of those awesome new characters?

Posted at November 15th, 2013, 10:36 am

Gigi19972010
Posted by Gigi19972010

@Omega Kirby:

Because it isn't the Right Timeline anymore, it was explained many pages ago. It co-exists with the current timeline, but only as information (or else how could Kirby and Kirsy be there?). About the time machine, it will be explained in future pages.
And who said I'm "just going to make this universe turn into information"? Don't judge things that soon.

Posted at November 15th, 2013, 10:43 am

Posted by TheTC

@Gigi19972010: ! Just figured out why the time machine isn't in this timeline! You see, it hasn't been built yet in this timeline, so it can't be there. So the last act of the Was-Right Timeline was taking Kirby and Kirsy to The Now-Right Timeline!

Posted at November 16th, 2013, 9:34 am

Posted by gracia (Guest)

That little white kirby are cute (means Gabrel)

Posted at December 17th, 2013, 7:53 pm

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